Someday, I want to vote "for" instead of "against"

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  1. RINO? DINO? Sounds like a bunch of pseudo-prehistoric beasties.
    BTW, I wholeheartedly agree with your position (though I may be a bit to the right of your position socially.) I am pretty darned tired of always feeling like I am voting “against” – the only exception I can recall is during the 1994 mid-term, when I felt I could support the GOP and the Contract With America.
    I don’t think we will see another party rise, though – the media (all flavors) derives sustenance from keeping the battle going (sort of like that issue of Star Trek), plus the parties themselves are positioning things to keep others out of the process.
    sigh
    ~EdT.

  2. “(though I may be a bit to the right of your position socially.)”

    Just curious, Ed: were you serious with “a bit”, or do you think it’s dramatic?
    (Oh — and I probably should have spelled out the R/D INO “thing”.  They are R’s or D’s “in name only”)

  3. “in name only” – that makes sense.

    Just curious, Ed: were you serious with “a bit”, or do you think it’s dramatic?

    I’m always serious — or is that never serious? 🙂
    Actually, I would say I lean toward being a conservative – while at the same time I am not one who wants the government involved in peoples’ private affairs any more than is absolutely necessary (and IMNSHO, very little of their current involvement is absolutely necessary.)
    Dramatic? Gosh, I have been called many things, but very seldom has “dramatic” been among them.
    ~EdT.

  4. Polimom,
    I can understand some of what you are saying, but I just don’t see that the Democrats are so far to the left. I am a former Republican and Rush Limbaugh listener(religiously!) who has become so sickened by the Republicans almost ceaseless march to the far right. Nixon would NEVER make it past the primaries of these Neo-fascist clowns because he would be too “liberal”. I am no lover or defender of liberalism or the Democratic party, but this President wanted to invade Iraq and used the thinnest, most ridiculous “intelligence” to justify getting us there, and damn what the real facts were. I just missed seeing the McCarthy era in the 50s(I was born in 1957) but I think the Republican party is reliving the McCarthy era, lying like dogs and just pandering to big corporations and the extremist right-wing of their party. Where will it end, with waves of jack-booted soldiers marching in our streets, off to “defend freedom” in some other far-off place that serves the interest of Big Business and a corrupt Bush administration? I have NEVER been more enraged at ANY party in all of my 49 years as I am at the Republicans, and it is my fervent prayer that these pseudo-christian crackpots are eliminated from power with this next election. I am a Christian and regular church-goer as well.
    Thank you

  5. Put me down as a Road Kill Democrat (i.e., I was in the middle of the road but the big, mean Republican 18-wheeler has squashed me flat.)

  6. FWIW — I just came back from early voting, and I did the best I could with my conscience, and the mess. I’ll post something later today or tomorrow about what I did if anybody’s interested.
    Gene — Thanks for the comment, and the encouraging words, particularly since I think we’re going to have a Democratic-majority congress in two weeks. For any number of reasons, I think that’s a good thing. The current configuration is an abomination.

  7. Moderate parties in America come when one of our Big Two lose enough times and reform themselves to the wants of moderate people. Only then does it occur to that party that paying too much attention to extreme voters does not keep you in office. But that party has to show that they have changed, otherwise voters have the impression that you just have two parties of the extremes.
    I do feel that the republicans have lost sight of their moderate voters, but I do not yet feel that the democrats have had any interest in reclaiming moderates either. If the democrats take the House this year, it will be the anti-vote, not because more people really value the democrats, and sadly they will not take it as a time to reform.
    If keeping the democrats out of a majority for one more race gives them a clue about appealing to moderates, then I am all for it. If giving them the House would bring republicans back to wanting the moderates then I am for that too. But I am not going to vote for the opposite party of my true concerns in hopes that they way other people vote makes my decision a strategic success.

  8. Jack,
    You make some good points, but I still don’t see what makes the Democrats as far left as the Republicans are far right. Just because the Republicans say someone is a “Liberal” doesn’t make them one. I don’t think “conservative” applies to Republicans anymore. My dad used to use the term “Reactionary” to apply to anyone on the far right, like Hitler or something, and I am beginning to think that this term is correct for most Republicans. My father is still a Republican, but I can see that he is a very, very disgusted. No matter what someone says, if the Republicans don’t like them, they slander them by applying the term “Liberal” and saying they favor “Big Government” or are “Tax and Spend”. I’m not gay nor do I especially care for gay interests, but I don’t think a Constitutional amendment banning Gay Marriage is anywhere near the top of our Govt agenda these days. Nancy Pelosi is strident and a feminist, but give me her anyday over this moron in the White House who calls anyone who disagrees with him a “cut and run” coward. And I haven’t even begun to talk about Tom Delay, the Terri Schiavo affair, the environment, what this war will cost my young son, etc. etc. etc….I’ll shut up now and listen, but thank you for the opportunity to vent in this forum!

  9. I find it funny that people think the Democrats are “too liberal” or even just saying that they’re not moderate. Granted, I would classify myself as very liberal, but I have been having conversations with friends and parents (democrat and republican), and we all seem to agree that the democratic candidates running (at least in my state of GA) are just republicans in disguise. I have never seen such conservative democrats in my life, and frankly, as far as I’m concerned, I’d like them to be more liberal. But being moderate is the only way they are going to win any elections, and I think they’re taking the moderate stance to an extreme level.

  10. Democrats are no more “left” than the republicans are “right”. Campaign rhetoric used by either party tends not to be true and serves no more purpose than sound bites for the small bit of news that most Americans watch each week.
    Generalizing people based on their party label is not making an informed decision. If this is all you care about, then you don’t care to pay much attention to what is going on in the world. When you restrict yourself to party labels, you miss the moderates that people so desperately crave today. It may turn out that you don’t like anything a party candidate has to say after all, but at least you listened to the candidate.

  11. Polimom,
    It’s too true that most elections turn into “who do I dislike the least?”, and relentless pandering to the base (by both parties) has helped assure candidates with little appeal to moderates. However, don’t give up hope! Moderates are reasserting themselves . . . just not within the two parties. See this article for an example.
    If the parties don’t want to suffer the same fate as the dinosaurs, at least one of them will have to reach out to the middle, and away from its base.
    First one to offer a welcoming home to the middle will likely govern for some time.

  12. As I read the comments, I noticed a few comments about whether Democrats were or weren’t more liberal than republicans were or weren’t conservative which, to me, is part of the problem. Both parties have to attempt to be too much to too many people. (I will get to the current state of affairs in a moment.)
    Our current political system is the equivalent of having a league with two baseball teams, two football teams, or worse having only two stores you could buy groceries at, etc. There really isn’t enought competition. But since the parties control all the funding, the ability to get their stories int he news, etc. The situation is unlikely to change.
    Given that, the best governments we have tended to have are split governments. Reagan and Bush 1 with Democratic congresses and Clinton with a Republican congress. It tends to take the rough edges off of each party and you end up with decent, fairly centrist governments with both parties fighting to prove that they are the most centrist.
    Contrast this with the two worst periods of American government in my lifespan. The Johnson administration in the 60’s and the current one. In both cases, not did one party hold all the reins of power (spelling was never my best subject). But they had lost their fear of the other party. Johnson had not only a democratic congress but one with such a large majority that he did not have to fear oposition. As a result, we got a lot of bad legislation. Today the majority is not so great but the republicans hold such an advantage in fundraising and can win elections just by crying “liberal” that they have seen motivating the base as more important than attracting the center.
    As disgusting as this might sound to loyal democrats and republicans and definitely moderates and independents, if you want good government, look at the President and vote for the other party. At least, that has a chance of keeping them from drifting too far to either side.
    This comment falls under the title of “Survival Guide for the Moderate” recognizing that as a moderate neither part y is likely to represent your views.

  13. Robert A.
    I like a lot of what you said, although voting for “gridlock” is a little bit sad to me. I guess that is what we are going to have to hope for, that and a return to a “bipartisan, put the country first” attitude. I just find it funny that some on the right refer to Democrats as Commies or socialists, when I think both forms of government are extremely discredited. I am certainly a capitalist, but I believe in capitalism in which the Government serves as a referee, not a bought and paid for tool of big business as it seems to have been in the last 20 years. This government is to me MORE screwed up than anything LBJ and co did in the ’60s, and the sad thing is that Bush didn’t learn ANYTHING from the Vietnam experience. Maybe I am the smartest person on the planet, but I thought the invasion of Iraq was a terrible mistake when I first heard about it, and I thought at the time that the “intelligence” used to justify the invasion was wafer-thin. I’m not at all surprised at what has happened there. I strongly identify myself as a Democrat and “Liberal” now, because I am so sick of the AM Radio attacks on “Liberals” and the shenanigans of the Republican party since ’94, but I also voted for Reagan in 1980, and identified myself as a Republican in the ’80s and early 90s, before they became the flat-earth society they now are…
    And I truly believe that Geo. W Bush is not smart enough or disciplined enough to be the president. I think his presidency will go down in history as one of the worst ever. God save us from this mess!

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