Politicizing the end of the world

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  1. You know, I’d like to be optimistic here, but this is how I think human nature works: we don’t think long term, we don’t worry about problems in 2080. If that report is right, here’s what I think will happen: we’ll all fight about it until it’s too late, we’ll see climate changes and mass starvation and the entire order of the world will be turned upside down, and in 2107 the planet will have fewer people and they’ll be living in different countries than exist today, leading very different lives than we do.
    Fundamentally, we don’t believe the world can change in dramatic ways. Until it does.

  2. I buy that the earth over some period of years averaged together, has been on a warming trend. I don’t bother to dispute this with myself much when I see the news. I even blindly follow that the ice breaking off of Antarctica and Greenland isn’t supposed to be doing that. I will also go along with trying to find real, serious, and effective changes to be made in our habits to leave the smallest impact on our planet possible. Make humans living on earth leave trash and damage almost as though we aren’t even here.
    But I have problems with how Global Warming is discussed when it is packaged for the general public:
    Yes, disasters such as floods and hurricanes may get worse when the world’s temperature rises. Let’s just not even debate that issue and say that they will. But it is phrased as though we would not have hurricanes and floods without global warming. I don’t like this dangerous train of thought that leads to us blaming every significant tornado and hurricane for the next 20 years on global warming. Just because something hasn’t happened since the 1970’s, or even the 1800’s, doesn’t mean it should never happen again. I’m going to be more impressed with something being directly related to global warming if it has never been recorded. Just because it happened before you were born, doesn’t make it some ancient record to be forgotten.
    Another area that is troublesome is our weather analysis capabilities. I’m not bothered by what we are/aren’t doing. I’m bothered by what people think that we can do/know. For example, we don’t know why with two clouds near each other in the same measured conditions, do not start precipitating at the same time. In other words, we have no model to tell why one cloud produces rain and not another when all measured conditions are the same. We don’t know why cloud tops reach highest averages over land, but tropical storms over water reach higher. We have El Nino and La Nina of the last two decades to study, but none earlier to help form future predictions. It wasn’t until the late 90’s that we began to use El Nino as a predictor for an upcoming seasonal weather pattern. We know that the Pacific Ocean as a whole fluctuates in water temperature over 10 year periods, but we don’t know why. Did you know that cyclical drought pattern in Texas has been tied to 11 year fluctuations in the sun? Is the sun somehow irrelevant in our climate?
    I suppose overall what disturbs me about discussions on global warming by the “fanatics”, not just in general, is there is a tone given off that if humans have the power to inflict a high global temperature, then we also have the power to lower it. It is implied that the earth never has/will/can fluctuate over short periods of time, and that humans must be the only thing influencing the earth.

  3. Jack — My own interpretation of the global warming issue is that some of this is, in fact, an earth cycle, and I also believe human activities are accelerating its pace. So I don’t think we can just make it go away. OTOH, I think we can slow it — or at least become MUCH better stewards, as you said.
    The increasing politicization of this issue, though, is going to intensify the hostility we’re already seeing between some liberals and conservatives, I think. The more wild-eyed the claims, the less likely those who are yelling will be taken seriously — kind of a double-whammy, because there is a problem, and their concerns shouldn’t be brushed off.

  4. I think the real problem with the AGW debate is how it is being sold: after all, if the hurricane season of 2005 is the direct result of GW, and things are getting worse not better, how to explain what happened in 2006? The reality is that mankind started to adversely impact the planet’s environment when our ancestors learned how to use fire.
    The problem is that we are trying to explain something that can only be understood in geologic time using short-lived anecdotal evidence. So, when we have a swing in the other direction, people tend to dismiss the dire predictions as ‘boy crying wolf’ hysteria.
    ~EdT.

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